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Computer underground Digest Sun Jun 30, 1996 Volume 8 : Issue 49
ISSN 1004-042X
Editor: Jim Thomas (cudigest@sun.soci.niu.edu)
News Editor: Gordon Meyer (gmeyer@sun.soci.niu.edu)
Archivist: Brendan Kehoe
Shadow Master: Stanton McCandlish
Field Agent Extraordinaire: David Smith
Shadow-Archivists: Dan Carosone / Paul Southworth
Ralph Sims / Jyrki Kuoppala
Ian Dickinson
Cu Digest Homepage: http://www.soci.niu.edu/~cudigest
CONTENTS, #8.49 (Sun, Jun 30, 1996)
File 1--Re: Cu Digest, #8.39, 27 May 96 (re Lance Rose)
File 2--Response to CUD #8.48--GAO hacker report: selling wind
File 3--Can you say "libel"?
File 4--Re: Cu Digest, #8.48, 23 Jun 96 - Crimes and Such
File 5--Cyber Angel's response to Wired article
File 6--SUN USER GROUP EAST COAST CONFERENCE & EXHIBITION, JUNE,
File 7--8th FIRST Conf & Workshop on Computer Security
File 8--Cu Digest Header Info (unchanged since 7 Apr, 1996)
CuD ADMINISTRATIVE, EDITORIAL, AND SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION ApPEARS IN
THE CONCLUDING FILE AT THE END OF EACH ISSUE.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 16:53 PDT
From: Michael Gersten <michael@STB.INFO.COM>
Subject: File 1--Re: Cu Digest, #8.39, 27 May 96 (re Lance Rose)
I disagree with one of the points that Lance Rose makes in his
post on Civil Liberties, and the On-Line circus.
Lance talks about encryption, as hiding "a message right in someone
else's face. It is like sticking a self-incriminating note in a
physical capsule that is uncrackably hard and strong, then lobbing
the capsule through the window of a police station to sit in the
middle of the floor among a bunch of cops, powerless to open it up
and figure out how to get the perp."
At the same time, he says that you can hide a message better by
leaving it in plain text, hidden among the huge mass of other things.
Except that today, searching ability is very strong, and only
going to get better.
Except that the police have shown that they will take an entire
computer and search it for anything that they want
Except that the goal is for everyone to use routine PGP encryption
on all messages that are not for everyone, just as everyone routinly
uses envelopes for their mail, and some people use security envolopes
that you can't just hold up to a strong light to see what's inside.
Except that it's a desire to stand out with an encrypted message,
but to be one of the normal flow of encrypted messages.
Except that any other form of hiding the data requires setting up
some special method, that has to be kept secret. With PGP, you don't
have to do anything special, really--the message is (at least with
the -a option) identified as a PGP message, and when (not if) PGP
is standard on unix and windows-96 (or -97) systems, will be just
as easy to read as plain mail.
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:48:48 -0700
From: Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@bani.com>
Subject: File 2--Response to CUD #8.48--GAO hacker report: selling wind
Response to CUD #8.48, File 1--GAO hacker report: selling wind
You recently quoted something called the "Crypt Newsletter" on the
subject of computer-related yellow journalism & governmental
scare-mongering on the threat to national security from "hackers".
While I certainly am concerned about the characterization of
"hackers" as the lepers of the 1990s, I am very disappointed that
CUD would publish such a blatantly partisan, left-wing rant, as
news. Do you intend CUD to become a forum for left-wing demagogues?
I should hope that you will continue to provide a balanced forum for
discussing issues of interest to all of us in the Net community, and
that you will in future at least insert a disclaimer before
reprinting material of such material. Otherwise, CUD will cease to
be a forum for intramural discussion of serious issues, and instead
become merely a mirror of the moderators' apparently left-wing
political views. What a shame, indeed.
I am a conservative, and I would like to point out the your
readership that it is a left-wing, liberal Democratic Administration
which has foisted the entire Clipper/Capstone/EES thing on us, and
which has consistently violated the rights of individuals and groups
in their quest to establish the Nanny State (Waco, Ruby Ridge,
etc.). In fact, Republicans in the House & Senate have been
vociferous in both opposing EES and in watering down the more
heinous provisions of Mr. Clinton's so-called "anti-terrorism"
legislation. The very sinister Filegate incident, which is far
beyond any "enemies list" kept by the Nixon Administration, clearly
shows the arrogance of liberals who think that government (i.e.,
themselves) always know best, and that their good intentions render
them above the law.
Remember, Chuck Colson went to jail for possessing one (1) FBI "raw"
file; the Clinton White House had at least 408!
>No one except an obscure lunatic named T. K. Jones in the Reagan
administration >really thought that either U.S. generals or their Soviet
counterparts would >call down the wrath of 10,000 nuclear warheads.
Whoever wrote this must be either extremely stupid or willfully
ignorant. Weapons are made to be used, and the strategic arsenals
of both the U.S. & the U.S.S.R./Russia, while serving as a deterrent
against a general conventional war, are indeed capable of being
launched if National Command Authority so decides. All one has to
do is look at the Cuban Missile Crisis or the Soviet's panicky
launching of Project RYAN during the 1980s to see that there was
(and still is, in my opinion) a real danger of unleashing
Armageddon. That's why SDI was, and continues to be, as issue of
vital import.
In closing, I would like to compliment CUD for providing a
(generally) balanced and informative resource on public policy
issues such as Internet regulation. While it is very easy to
criticize from the peanut gallery, I hope that my comments and
suggestions are received not as churlish sniping, but as advice from
a devoted reader who only wishes to assist in making CUD that much
more appealing to us all.
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:33:56, -0500
From: MR ROBERT E DALY <red_daly@prodigy.com>
Subject: File 3--Can you say "libel"?
What a great idea! I think I'll submit the names of all my enemies!
Hmm, maybe I'll check with my lawyer first about slander and libel.
Response to article from Computer Underground Digest which follows:
Date--Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:58:38 -0500 (CDT)
From--David Smith <bladex@bga.com>
Subject--Child Molester Database on the web
Great World Internet Services has set up a "child molester" database
where Internet users can add records about people who are child
molesters. The ISP's philosophy is listed below. There is also a
separate disclaimer that information will be purged after 120 years,
and that Great World Internet Services does not verify any of the data.
There is a procedure for those who wish to dispute being entered into a
database.
There are expansion plans, too : deadbeat dads, crooked cops, elected
official crimes, known drug dealers, etc.
The site can be found at http://www.greatworld.com/public
>From its creator:
Too many times in our twisted society, criminals are treated as
victims and victims are treated as inhuman and ignored. When our
President, our (In)Justice System, and our legislative bodies fail to
provide us with proper protection, then we as citizens must unite in
order to protect ourselves. The time for passivity has ended and the
time for proactive intervention is upon us.
Therefore, as a parent and a citizen, I have made available a
database where child molesters can be listed. The difference between
this database and the databases of certain states (such as California)
are that this database is totally free. (There is no ridiculous $10
fee.) Also, anyone can look up